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Thursday, August 11, 2011

TWO VIEWS OF REALITY

(Editor's note: The following is an exchange between "Swollenthumb" and our own Noble Collins which, due to technical difficulties, did not post to the intended article.)

SWOLLENTHUMB:
You liberals think that the Tea Party is to blame for the mess this country is in??? All they want Washington to do is live within their means and do as they promise. Its you liberals that are taking this country down the path of destruction, TAX AND SPEND, that's the only three words you know. The American people have spoken when they overwhelmingly put the Tea Party in charge of the House and hopefully soon the Senate (just 4 seats needed). This country is headed in the direction of Greece and the UK, SOCIALISM. Oh and by the way, it is Obama's fault, he has tripled the deficit in the short time he has been in office.

NOBLE:
Liberals didn't put us into an unfunded war against two nations, which has caused trillions in debt and thousands of American lives, and for what? The world is no better off, probably worse.

Liberals didn't cut taxes on the wealthiest Americans, promising to create "trickle down" jobs.
Well, where are the jobs, and why are the cuts still being fought for?


Liberals didn't bring the U.S. to the brink of default on paying its debts, an event which would have made today's problems look like Sunday School.

Liberals across the board are putting their country first and pitching in to solve or problems, not standing back and childishly using old, worn out cliches like "tax and spend."

National polls today OVERWHELMINGLY show that the U.S. is tired of strutting and posing. They want action.  They want something done to help the country, not continued roadblocks and resistance.

Liberals want what the polls show most Americans want.

2 comments:

All American said...

NOBLE:
Liberals didn't put us into an unfunded war against two nations, which has caused trillions in debt and thousands of American lives, and for what? The world is no better off, probably worse.

Which Liberals are you talking about? Is it Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Hilary Clinton or maybe John Kerry? Every single one of these liberals voted for and expressed the need to invade Iraq and get those weapons of mass destruction that C.I.A. Director said was there. The director appointed by liberal Bill Clinton.

Cutting taxes on Americans was only half the plan, part two was to cut spending.

Noble:
Liberals didn't bring the U.S. to the brink of default on paying its debts, an event which would have made today's problems look like Sunday School."

Who had control of Congress and the White House for two years? Liberals did that’s who. Who failed to pass a budget during those two years? Liberals that’s who! Who failed to pass a budget for more than 800 days? The Senate controlled by the liberals that’s who! Why? Because they didn’t want to make the tough choices.

Noble:
Liberals across the board are putting their country first and pitching in to solve or problems, not standing back and childishly using old, worn out cliches like "tax and spend."

If the truth hurts it’s not a worn out cliché. Liberals have had two years to do as they please. All they have done is bring America closer to ruin by socializing this great country.

Noble said...

O.K. let's look closely at your remarks: President Bush made false claims. The "proof" was quite sketchy at best and ignored knowledge that the main person furnishing information was lying. This was later proved.Even HE admitted it.
When a president says something is true, especially in the case of national security it's rare that it would be disputed at the time. Congress, Republicans and Democrats,almost unanimously accepted this claim, yes, but it came from a Republican President and was approved by a Republican dominated congress so the responsibility lies primarily at their feet. Liberals were betrayed and lied to like everyone else, but it's pretty hard to make a case that they were the ones primarily pushing the action.
My statement is correct - Liberals didn't put us into that fiasco. Ignorant and complicit, perhaps, but not in charge and certainly not at the lead.
As for defaulting on the debt, no congress in history had ever threatened to do such a thing - Conservatives OR Liberals. Rather than honoring our legitimate debt (regardless of who you blame for accumulating it, and BOTH sides can take that credit, my friend,) Refusing to pay it was,foolhardy, unconscionable,perilous and borders on immoral. Not until the Tea Party worked their will on the Republican House was that ever even considered by Republicans. John McCain made that abundantly clear, I think.
I stand by my statement. Liberals did not bring us to the brink of default.
If you believe the misinformed blather being slung around so self righteously by far right conservatives that America is being led into Socialism, you are seriously in need of doing some study on that subject. While you are at it, perhaps you should also study up on our form of government, including checks and balances, and our constitution which determines how we are to be governed. There are many social issues which are the concern of a proper government. I dare say we could point to many utilized by you and your family. Calling that Socialism is trite and quite inaccurate.

Most of all, I stand strongly by my statement that Liberals are primarily at the forefront of trying to set things right, while far right conservatives are only interested in creating animosity, ill will and stagnation.

Incidently, if you are under the impression that only the last two years (filled with dealing with disasters from the previous eight years) are the cause of all our problems, all I can say is that is adequate proof of your wayward thinking