Vice President Joe Biden and Republican vice presidential nominee Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin participate in the vice presidential debate at Centre College, Thursday, Oct. 11, 2012, in Danville, Ky. (AP Photo/Pool-Rick Wilking)
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about a change of tone. Where President Obama was passive and, frankly,
semi-conscious in his debate last week, Joe Biden was amped up and
ready to attack Paul Ryan at every opportunity. And nowhere did Biden
show more fire than during an extended, impassioned diatribe on Mitt
Romney's notorious "47 percent" remarks, a subject which Obama -
puzzlingly, most observers agreed - failed to so much as mention last
Wednesday.Biden, known as a blue-collar guy himself, seemed sincerely insulted that Romney had disparaged people who don't pay income taxes, including soldiers and seniors, and, apparently, Biden's parents and neighbors. It was a moment where Biden really seemed to take control. Check out the real-time dial of undecided voters at the bottom of the screen. Seems to have struck a nerve.
Ryan parried with the campaign's official "47 percent" defense: Romney just misspoke, and didn't mean it.
He cares about 100 percent of Americans in this country. And with respect to that quote, I think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way.
After allowing himself a laugh with the rest of the
audience, Biden responded, "But I always say what I mean. And so does
Romney."
READER COMMENTS
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2012-10-11 19:41
Joe Biden was great
tonight. He let Ryan throwing a kitchen sink of fake criticisms at him
bait him into getting a bit angry, but I think it worked for him rather
than against him.
Ryan and Romney are deliberately being fuzzy and just hurling insults and criticisms at the Obama administration pretending it makes sense because they're combining it with the Republican obstructionism of the last decade. They know how to strategically make hay from this kind of attacks.
The message of the Obama administration is an inherently more complex one to convey, so they should stop biting on the bait and just explain their visions while pointing out lies and inconsistencies in the Republican world view.
The crux is that it take a lot of energy to do that, and presence of mind and as Republicans toss off a few words that needs a long time to refute it wears the Democrats out ... so Obama now needs to come up with a strategy to counter this from the Republicans.
Ryan and Romney are deliberately being fuzzy and just hurling insults and criticisms at the Obama administration pretending it makes sense because they're combining it with the Republican obstructionism of the last decade. They know how to strategically make hay from this kind of attacks.
The message of the Obama administration is an inherently more complex one to convey, so they should stop biting on the bait and just explain their visions while pointing out lies and inconsistencies in the Republican world view.
The crux is that it take a lot of energy to do that, and presence of mind and as Republicans toss off a few words that needs a long time to refute it wears the Democrats out ... so Obama now needs to come up with a strategy to counter this from the Republicans.
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2012-10-11 19:48
Keep telling Lyin Ryan the truth Joe...and shutting his lies down. He went to the 47% Ryan had no response, it was great!
Ryan lied throughout the whole debate just like Romney did, lets see who do I vote for 2 GOP liars that can act but have no substance or 2 Dems that actually care about people? Hmmm what shall I do?
VOTE Democratic in 2012!
Go JOE Go!!
Ryan lied throughout the whole debate just like Romney did, lets see who do I vote for 2 GOP liars that can act but have no substance or 2 Dems that actually care about people? Hmmm what shall I do?
VOTE Democratic in 2012!
Go JOE Go!!
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2012-10-12 04:14
Quoting
Mitt's 47% statement was no "gaffe". It's what he and Ryan believe. They intend to follow the Norquist "NO NEW TAXES" pledge, funnel more money to the rich, and decimate all social programs and the middle class in the process. But they can't tell us that in a public forum. Ryan is a Catholic, and his Bishops and Nuns have told him that his budget is "immoral" and "severe". What more can I say?
Ryan's goddess, sociopath Ayn Rand (Google her), is on the doorstep of the White House. She believed, as do Mitt and Ryan, that "A government is the most dangerous threat to man’s rights." (Where have we heard that before?)
If we're dumb enough to elect these two, she'll be sitting in the Oval Office, and it will be the end of America as we know it.
... He went to the 47% Ryan had no response, it was great!... Ryan lied throughout the whole debate just like Romney did...Pernsey, I still can't believe that two men - Mendacious Mitt and Lyin' Ryan - have built a campaign on a foundation of lies. Mitt selectd Ryan because of his "marvelous" budget that he COMPLETELY agrees with - a budget that entirely shreds the Social Safety Net that the poor and middle class depend on. They would have you believe that there's no way to solve the problems of Social Security and Medicare except to turn them over to the same people who've already robbed us of trillions in wealth.
Mitt's 47% statement was no "gaffe". It's what he and Ryan believe. They intend to follow the Norquist "NO NEW TAXES" pledge, funnel more money to the rich, and decimate all social programs and the middle class in the process. But they can't tell us that in a public forum. Ryan is a Catholic, and his Bishops and Nuns have told him that his budget is "immoral" and "severe". What more can I say?
Ryan's goddess, sociopath Ayn Rand (Google her), is on the doorstep of the White House. She believed, as do Mitt and Ryan, that "A government is the most dangerous threat to man’s rights." (Where have we heard that before?)
If we're dumb enough to elect these two, she'll be sitting in the Oval Office, and it will be the end of America as we know it.
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2012-10-12 07:27
The biggest most
obvious whopper of all came from Biden when he said the embassy in Libya
had not asked for additional security. And Biden continues to
intentionally mirepresent what Romney said about the 47%. In context
Romney said that the 47% who pay no Federal income tax will not vote for
him no matter what; thus it is not his job to try to get them to.
That's a far cry from saying he doesn't care for them. And BTW there are
a significant number of free-loaders in that 47% and the Obama
Administration is trying to increase that number.
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2012-10-12 08:19
Rather have one
blooper than thousands of lies and do not care attitudes. There are more
freeloaders in the 1% and it too was so noted last night.
Vote for
whom you want I doubt you can, you are probably in ninth grade and for
how long???? Hard to move forward when you have leadership that cannot
tell the truth
I would add one thing, for all of you whiners for Nit...He doesn't give a rat's ____ about a one of you. He will send you off to War and his pretty boys will be at home laughing their butts off!
I would add one thing, for all of you whiners for Nit...He doesn't give a rat's ____ about a one of you. He will send you off to War and his pretty boys will be at home laughing their butts off!
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2012-10-12 08:58
KittatinyHawk already replied very well to most of your remark.
I'll add one thing though. The greatest wopper of all time? That's tough one. Here's a few nominees:
1. Twit saying his healthcare plan covers pre-existing conditions.
2. George jr. saying Iraq had WMDs.
3. Twit saying he always paid at least 13% even though we don't deserve any proof.
4. Republicans suddenly getting behind Twit as though he wasn't the Wall Street whore you already knew he was during the primaries.
5. The idea that 47% of the country are freeloaders, coming from a man that appears to never pay ANYTHING in taxes unless he's running for President.
Take your pick.
If you want more, I'll gladly supply them for you.
I'll add one thing though. The greatest wopper of all time? That's tough one. Here's a few nominees:
1. Twit saying his healthcare plan covers pre-existing conditions.
2. George jr. saying Iraq had WMDs.
3. Twit saying he always paid at least 13% even though we don't deserve any proof.
4. Republicans suddenly getting behind Twit as though he wasn't the Wall Street whore you already knew he was during the primaries.
5. The idea that 47% of the country are freeloaders, coming from a man that appears to never pay ANYTHING in taxes unless he's running for President.
Take your pick.
If you want more, I'll gladly supply them for you.
