In an interview with Tucker Carlson, the
Russian president barely broke a sweat, conceded little, and controlled
the conversation from its beginning
Tucker Carlson’s interview with Russian President
Vladimir Putin went exactly how everyone expected, as not so much of an
interview, but a demonstration by Putin of the ease with which he could
utterly overpower one of the United States’ most prominent media
figures.
Carlson opened the interview by directly addressing viewers, stating
that he felt Putin was “sincere” in his belief that “Russia has a
historic claim” to the portions of Ukraine he wishes to seize through
military might.
“Are we having a talk show or a serious conversation?” Putin asked
Carlson in their very first exchange, after denying that he’d justified
his incursion into Ukraine to prevent a “surprise attack” by the U.S.
and NATO against allies.
Putin then launched into a 30-minute lecture on Russian and Ukrainian
history, starting in 862, through the creation and fall of the Soviet
Union, and to the modern era. Carlson stared blankly and nodded along as
Putin claimed Ukraine had no independent national identity to justify
its sovereignty, a claim historians and Russian propaganda experts have categorically rejected.
Carlson halfheartedly attempted to move Putin onto another topic, only
to be brushed off by the autocrat who — one must assume — is not
particularly receptive to being told what to do.
“It’s not boring; I just don’t know how it’s relevant,” Carlson said.
“Good,” Putin replied, before resuming his oral report.
The exchange was representative of the more than two-hour-long
interview as a whole; Putin barely broke a sweat, conceded little when
directly questioned, and seemed to control the tone and pace of the
conversation from its beginning. He felt so comfortable that he even made fun of Carlson for getting rejected by the CIA before beginning his career in media.
In making his interviewer play by his rules — and in Carlson
relinquishing the reigns of the dialogue — Putin used Carlson as the
vehicle to ship his carefully crafted state propaganda to American
audiences.
The interview continued to center around the ongoing war between
Russia and Ukraine. The Russian president reiterated many of the
arguments he’s already made regarding his motives for invading their
neighbor — with little critical pushback from Carlson.
Putin spoke at length about his wish to bring “de-Nazification” to
Ukraine, and while the nation does have a dark history of association
with Nazism and neo-Nazi factions, particularly in the context of WWII,
experts widely agree this is a propaganda ploy used as justification for the invasion.
Putin at one point told Carlson that the United States had better
things to do than help Ukraine fight a war. “Thousands of miles away
from your national territory, don’t you have anything better to do?”
Putin said. “You have issues on the border, issues with migration,
issues with the national debt … you have nothing better to do, so you
fight in Ukraine?”
It comes as no surprise to anyone who’s watched Carlson’s coverage of
Ukraine that the line of argument overlapped almost completely with the
former Fox News host’s own view on the matter. Carlson was among the first public advocates to push Republicans to make aid to Ukraine contingent on increased resources for border enforcement.
The overlap is likely why Carlson didn’t respond or engage further
with Putin on the question, instead pivoting to questioning the
president about who blew up the Nord Stream pipeline.
“You, for sure,” Putin joked.
Carlson countered that he was busy that day.
“You may personally have an alibi, but the CIA has no such alibi,”
the Russian president replied, reiterating his claims that the blast
that crippled the major natural gas pipeline was likely orchestrated by
the U.S. and its NATO allies. Investigations have yet to determine who was behind the sabotage, but in 2022 Carlson publicly hinted at his belief
that the U.S. may have been responsible for the pipeline’s destruction.
The comments were notable enough that last year, Russian state TV
attempted to link Carlson’s firing from Fox News to his coverage of Nord Stream.
Carlson announced on Tuesday that he would be releasing an interview
with the Russian autocrat he has long defended. The former Fox News
host claimed that English-speaking news outlets are too “corrupt” and
“lie” too often to be trusted to accurately portray Russia’s leader —
not that Carlson has ever lied to his audience.
The announcement was immediately controversial, in great part because
of the ongoing crackdown against journalistic freedom within Russia,
including the detainment of foreign reporters by Russian authorities.
One such journalist is Evan Gershkovich, a Wall Street Journal reporter who was detained by Russian authorities
while on assignment in Russia last year. Gershkovich has been held in
the notorious Lefortovo prison since March 2023 on trumped-up charges of
espionage.
Toward the end of the interview, Carlson finally found his spine,
asking Putin about Gershkovich’s imprisonment, and proposing that the
president — in a show of his “decency” — release Gershkovich into the
custody of Carlson’s team, who would return him to the United States.
“The guy is obviously not a spy, he’s a kid, and maybe he was
breaking your law in some way, but he’s not a super-spy and everyone
knows that, and he’s being held hostage,” Carlson said.
Putin refused to commit to Gershkovich’s release and maintained the
Russian government’s allegations that the reporter had been illegally
collecting confidential information constituting espionage. “We’ve done
so many gestures of goodwill, out of decency, that I think we’ve run out
of them,” Putin said, adding that he would entertain the possibility of
Gershkovich’s release when he saw “reciprocal” actions from the U.S.
On Tuesday, Carlson asserted that “not a single Western journalist
has bothered to interview the president of” Russia since the nation
launched its offensive against Ukraine in February 2022. The lie was so
blatant that even the Kremlin felt the need to address it.
“Mr. Carlson is not correct,” Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said in a statement
on Wednesday, adding that they have received “numerous requests for
interviews with the president, but mostly, as far as countries in the
collective West are concerned, these are from major network media:
traditional TV channels and large newspapers.”
CNN chief international anchor Christine Amanpour responded to the claim on X
(formerly Twitter). “Does Tucker really think we journalists haven’t
been trying to interview President Putin every day since his full-scale
invasion of Ukraine?” she wrote.
Other prominent journalists echoed the sentiment. “It is most
striking to see Carlson justify his interview with Putin and trip to
Russia as the work of a journalist at a time when Western journalists
are literally sitting in jail for having done nothing wrong other than
seeking to report independently in Putin’s Russia, not to mention the
many Russian journalists who face imprisonment or exile in the effort to
continue their work,” New York Times writer and former Washington Post Moscow Bureau Chief Susan Glasser told CNN.
Russian journalist Yevgenia Albats wrote on X
that the situation is “unbelievable,” adding that she — like many other
Russian journalists — “have had to go into exile to keep reporting
about the Kremlin’s war against Ukraine. The alternative was to go to
jail. And now this SoB is teaching us about good journalism, shooting
from the $1000 Ritz suite in Moscow.”
According to the Moscow Times, an independent Russian news outlet that was forced to leave the country in 2022 and whose articles are censored within territorial Russia, more than 1,000 independent journalists have been forced to flee the country as Putin’s regime cracks down on freedom of the press.
So how on earth did Carlson land an interview with Putin amidst the
Russian government’s full-frontal assault on journalistic freedom? It’s a
moment years in the making for the former Fox News host, who across
large swaths of his career has acted as the propagandist for Putin —
with particular emphasis on the Russia-Ukrainian war.
Carlson has a long history of espousing pro-Russian talking points
regarding the war, even going so far as to claim in 2019 that he was
actively “[rooting] for Russia” as tensions escalated between the two
nations.
Days before Russia launched the invasion, Carlson told Fox News viewers that Americans had no good reason
to “hate” Putin, and attempted to link President Joe Biden’s support
for Ukraine to unproven allegations that the president accepted millions
of dollars from the Ukrainian nationals.
As the war unfolded, Carlson ramped up his pro-Kremlin rhetoric and
criticism of support for the Ukrainian government, to the point that his
broadcasts were repeatedly lauded by Russian state television. In March 2022, Mother Jones obtained a Kremlin memo
that encouraged state-controlled media outlets to “use as much as
possible fragments of broadcasts of the popular Fox News host Tucker
Carlson, who sharply criticizes the actions of the United States [and]
NATO, their negative role in unleashing the conflict in Ukraine, [and]
the defiantly provocative behavior from the leadership of the Western
countries and NATO towards the Russian Federation and towards President
Putin, personally.”
Aside from his track record espousing pro-Russian propaganda, Carlson
has established a reputation among autocratic heads of state as a soft
interviewer. In his quest to develop a conservative ideological exchange
between American conservatives and international right-wing
governments, Carlson has given friendly, lauding interviews to Hungary’s Viktor Orbán, El Salvador’s Nayib Bukele, and Argentina’s Javier Milei.
In his interviews and coverage of these right-wing political leaders,
Carlson often lauds the use of executive power to reshape nations
toward conservative principles — regardless of the methods implemented
and the cost to civil society and democratic institutions. It’s clear
that Carlson’s fascination with these figures reflects his
long-professed desires to implement similar transformation within the
United States. With Putin now added to his roster, Carlson has
solidified his position as the main access point between the propaganda
of autocrats and the American public.
Russian Gothic: No doubt who is wearing the pants in this photo.