tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6383741895455123821.post6914668377895773747..comments2024-02-04T14:05:34.412-08:00Comments on Rim Country Gazette: Loeffler responds to biased Roundup editorialJames Keyworthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16778065398076170813noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6383741895455123821.post-11637054851753868382011-12-13T17:25:36.699-08:002011-12-13T17:25:36.699-08:00Take a chance. What can be so bad that can't b...Take a chance. What can be so bad that can't be corrected? There is NO indication that this project is a bad thing. <br /><br />Why continue to risk losing it?Noblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16411125087902480818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6383741895455123821.post-89019249644007220252011-12-13T17:23:24.025-08:002011-12-13T17:23:24.025-08:00Take a chance. What could be so bad as to risk kil...Take a chance. What could be so bad as to risk killing this project?Noblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16411125087902480818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6383741895455123821.post-75437648925271578082011-12-11T13:48:02.389-08:002011-12-11T13:48:02.389-08:00If it weren't for Evans history of "untru...If it weren't for Evans history of "untruths", maybe there wouldn't be so many doubts about this thing. I think it's only a matter of time before people started seeing the REAL Kenny Evans, not the one the Payson Roundup is whitewashing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6383741895455123821.post-67531446532300209412011-11-29T20:56:04.402-08:002011-11-29T20:56:04.402-08:00There are vital time constraints in play.Some bene...There are vital time constraints in play.Some benefits have already been lost due to hand wringing and refusal to work towards the broad picture. This project is in serious danger of being nibbled and quibbled and scrubbed to death.<br />Every concern you bring up has been addressed, and pretty much resolved as fairly and realistically as possible. It isn't a perfect plan, but it's pretty darn close, and it is an amazing plan for the future of this area. Sooner or later, a leap of faith is necessary as in all major decisions. In this case, later is too late.Noblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16411125087902480818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6383741895455123821.post-25829108541647045342011-11-27T12:01:22.250-08:002011-11-27T12:01:22.250-08:00Noble
You missed the point.
The argument is not ab...Noble<br />You missed the point.<br />The argument is not about the goal of an ASU campus - it is the process.<br />You are convinced the current process is valid and many others do not.<br />1) There is no published plan for the north side of 260.<br />2) There is no published list of the SLE investment members.<br />3) There is no published contract with ASU.<br />4) The land north of 260 was designated for the community college - when and who changed the designation?<br />5) Solar cells should be built at the airport industrial park, only problem the market is flooded with Chinese units, the primary reason Solyndra failed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6383741895455123821.post-25451103638616258742011-11-23T09:10:52.348-08:002011-11-23T09:10:52.348-08:00Thanks Tom!
Mayors Evans has played this town and ...Thanks Tom!<br />Mayors Evans has played this town and county for fools, far too long.<br />No institution for higher education is building new campuses anywhere in the world right now. There is no need due to on-line learning. All three state universities have dozens of programs available for community college transfer at substantial savings - right now - without the Mayors land grab. Yes, even GCC/EAC. <br />Kenny needs to educate himself about what happened to Rick Renzi when he tried the same stunt a few years back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6383741895455123821.post-35201100106645414342011-11-23T08:55:19.454-08:002011-11-23T08:55:19.454-08:00There will always be people who only see the ferti...There will always be people who only see the fertilizer and not the flowers. The two comments above prove the point. <br />Where do these people think the money will come from to build the ASU campus? The unique arrangement to fund this great venture is a brilliant stroke which eliminates risk from the taxpayers while providing incentive to the lenders. The plan has been explained over and over and over,but some people always come late to a party and criticize the decorations. <br />Building a convention hotel, a community center, and some other desirable entities are absolutely welcome to the future of Payson, assuming there will be a Payson healthy enough to utilize them. Building a non-polluting small factory to create solar panels (away from the main campus) is another win/win since it will provide energy for the campus and portions of the town. OF COURSE the investors are entitled to a reasonable return on their investment. This is basic economics 101. For them to agree to do this in a way which primarily benefits the college is unprecedented, and a once in a lifetime opportunity.<br />This opportunity cannot be expected to ever come our way again. Very good and honorable people have worked extremely hard to bring it about. There are ample safeguards all along the way to protect the town and GCC.<br />This has already been talked to death. Some people can NEVER be satisfied, because their nature won't allow for a view beyond their nose. To allow the project to die because of a relative few naysayers is an insult to the majority of people in this town who see a grand future from it, and a dead-end economy here without it. <br />You can support Ebenezer Scrooge or Bob Cratchet. The choice is yours.Noblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16411125087902480818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6383741895455123821.post-40779042139430990812011-11-22T15:00:16.780-08:002011-11-22T15:00:16.780-08:00You are absolutely correct. I just feel sorry for...You are absolutely correct. I just feel sorry for all the people in this town who are making decisions based on a four-year college coming to Payson. Shame on Kenny Evans, shame on Mike Vogel, and most of all, shame on the Payson Roundup for perpetuating the myth. If it happens at all, it will be at least 10 years before we see a single student.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6383741895455123821.post-77262309891203350962011-11-22T11:21:29.640-08:002011-11-22T11:21:29.640-08:00From the beginning the "college" has bee...From the beginning the "college" has been as much about the development of things like a large convention center and a solar firm as it has been about education. If the SLE won't agree to building education related structures only on this piece of land, it is obvious why. There is supposedly some $500 million pledged towards this project. Who thinks that kind of money can be drummed up for a four year college only? It's all about the ancillary development.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com